Language, terms and discovering what Spring 'really' is.

[Nik]

I was a bit vague, I should have said:

"Well, if anyone else is willing to try, please go ahead. I don't think the discussion for my part will advance much from here"

(thats why I invited others to take over)

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

I was a bit vague

Thats what I thought, thanks for confirming it.

[Nik]

Thats what I thought, thanks for confirming it.

Of course, the confession of vagueness(sp?) only applies the following line in the post, any attempts of applying it to my previous posts will be categorically denied

Karl, take over, you need the post count

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

Of course, the confession of vagueness(sp?) only applies the following line in the post, any attempts of applying it to my previous posts will be categorically denied.

Your posts are certainly less verbose than mine.

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

....personally when I come up with ideas like that I usually come to the conclusion that it works fine for 80% of the cases and then gets impossible for the remaining 20%

I believe you when you say you are competent software developer, however,
for whatever reasons, I don't seem to have the same problem you do. Maybe that 20% you struggle with is 'impossible' because you are taking the approach?

I don't know, but it is clear you are having problems I am not.

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

I believe the Spring Community is fostering a Structured Development Environment.

* A Structured Development Environment combines a Common Development Approach with Supporting Implementation Technologies.
* A Common Development Approach is a 'top down' design perspective and is synonymous with Spring Community Development Practices.
* The Supporting Implementation Technologies have a 'bottom up' design perspective and are synonymous with the Spring Framework code base.

I believe Spring is moving in this direction, would people agree?

[Nik]

Apparently I wasn't able to stop myself from posting...

Your posts are certainly less verbose than mine.

And therefore they are...what? Like a said, I'm non-native, you try writing something in your third language

I don't seem to have the same problem you do. Maybe that 20% you struggle with is 'impossible' because you are taking the approach?

I don't know, but it is clear you are having problems I am not.

It is not impossible. The concern might be impossible using the same approach as the rest. With some (hopefully, well documented) workarounds things usually work out.

If you program away and never run into situations that require workarounds/hacks then the chance is great that you sit in some CS lab and make up your own requirements for the programs.

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

Like a said, I'm non-native, you try writing something in your third language.

My third language is probably Java.

If you program away and never run into situations that require workarounds/hacks then the chance is great that you sit in some CS lab and make up your own requirements for the programs.

Are you saying I work in a CS lab? Sorry, I'm not sure what you are getting at. I do not have have a degree and have never attended a university, I have always worked and currently have my own consultancy business.

To clarify what this post is about:

I believe the Spring Community is fostering a Structured Development Environment.

* A Structured Development Environment combines a Common Development Approach with Supporting Implementation Technologies.
* A Common Development Approach is a 'top down' design perspective and is synonymous with Spring Community Development Practices.
* The Supporting Implementation Technologies have a 'bottom up' design perspective and are synonymous with the Spring Framework code base.

I believe Spring is moving in this direction, would people agree?

[Nik]

Are you saying I work in a CS lab? Sorry, I'm not sure what you are getting at. I do not have have a degree and have never attended a university, I have always worked and currently have my own consultancy business.

Peace. I think the "if" has about the same meaning in English and Java. Conditional operator.

Now, for whom it concerns, on with the real discussion as you already outlined.

[simon_funnell@yahoo.com]

Thanks Nik. I will post again when I something more tangible (which will probably be a month or two), however any comments are appreciated and I will attempt to respond to them in the meanwhile.