Not usable in a real world application

[Kees de Kooter]

Keith,

What is the position of the Interface21 developers - being the spring 'inventors' - on the Spring RCP project? To expand a bit: is it important to the core spring team, or should we consider spring as more of a server based thing?

[mabo]

Keith,
I admint that the spring web flow management is big a step forward on spring-rcp. I think it's weak on scheduled release plan.
It's a open source project and no one pretend fixed release date, but wath will arrive in RC1 over RC2 is important for users adopting strategy.
If I try PR1 and find it complete, then I see a PR2, 3, 4, 5... I need to know if the next is PR6 and why.
This is a minor problem!
Web flow is a great work.

Our problem is spring-rcp. If you or Ollie intregrate the documentations, some one else will continue yours great work for the comunity.

We need the ideas - architecture - vision and dircetions to follow.
Or it remains a toy.

Thanks

[Keith Donald]

Interface21 itself is considering the options, but Interface21 itself has a finite number of resources, so it is not a given it can devote them to the Spring Rich project.

On a personal level, unfortunately, I simply cannot make time out of thin air. The SWF team is pushing hard Spring Web Flow 1.0, which we are in the middle of release preparations for now. Any time I have available to contribute back to Spring Rich is completely in my spare time, which I simply do not have much of.

I want nothing more than to see Spring Rich succeed; if I could go back in time I would've placed emphasis on documentation over features; trust me, I wish I could do that...

I hope you understand -

Keith

[mabo]

It's enougth form me, I'm satisfied.
I understand perfectly.
Good luck!

[jmelzer]

This is how I see things:
1. Spring-RC is a great concept
2. Basic functionality is elegant (Commands, Binding, Forms etc)
3. Basic functionality works for production apps
4. Good documentation not even close
5. Great programmers (Ollie,Keith, among others)
6. No serious and successful Open-source project can stay almost two years with out a release.
7. HIBERNATE AND SPRING DID NOT START LIKE THIS
8. Useless to point the finger on others, especially the talented people who had put hundreds of hours of their own time for the project.

I think the same like you!!

My manager ask me why I estimate so many time for developing a swing framework for our application. I told him that Spring RCP isn't in the situation to use for production now
So, possible, if I told him I can much more faster when we donate some money to the spring rcp project ...
At this moment we have only 2-3 months to wait for starting devoping.

So what do the RCP developer think about this?